Irish Army DPM

[ambro25]

This thread further to the Irish Shooter Digest article thread, and 'the issue'.

We the IAA thank the Irish Shooter Digest for a fabulous coverage of the sport, one of the best pieces of reporting yet in this country.

One issue was accidentally raised by the article, however, which is recurring and is that of Irish DPM, seen in use at airsoft venues.

Statutory provisions about the wearing of, and dealing in, Irish DPM are clear and unequivocal. They are to be found in the Defence Act 1954, sections 260/264/265 and quite simply forbid expressly:

* wearing Irish DPM outside of Irish Army context or matters
* dealing in Irish DPM ("dealing in" = selling/buying; not the least because Irish DPM is never the seller's to sell in the first place, whereby both a seller and a buyer could realistically be prosecuted for dealing in stolen goods, as in 'stolen from the State')

The IAA position has been clear on this issue from the onset: do not wear Irish DPM, do not buy or sell Irish DPM, report any incidence of anyone doing any of these activities to the authorities at once.

Any such "internal" issue, with the potential to impact the sport negatively, be it with authorities or the press, is of course to be avoided at all costs, and the IAA expects its Members to regularly exercise common sense and good judgement for the mutual benefit of all.

A venue operator has been approached by relevant State bodies about the issue, which simply must not arise anymore, for the sake of the sport, the venues, and the persons concerned (that's the bit where, for relevant individuals, I'd take a BIG hint).

Should an IAA member unfortunately be found to be in contravention of the above Statutes, therefore in contravention of the Constitution and Players' Guidelines, then as and when facts are established:

* he or she will be issued a written warning for a first offense, and
* a summary dismissal from the IAA will follow a second offense.

This is applicable to any class of membership, that goes without saying.

Venue operators, which run private commercial ventures irrespective of IAA affiliation status, may deal with the matter as they see fit and, we expect, by summary dismissal of any relevant individual from the venue on sight.

Make no mistake, this is A Big Deal™

[Puding]

Great post, a lot of this has been brought up in another thread in the last few days ( http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055229441 ) but to have it all in one place clear is nice, may i dare say a sticky is in order?

[Gatling]

thank you ambro ,i seen the article in question on saturday 2 photos attached featured the camo in question,

[Blazher]

Great thread mate,

I strongly agree with this for a few reason, Witch i wont go in to,


PS:: lets not turn this in to a bar fight like the other threads about Irish DPM!

[Vegeta]

While I have nothing to do with airsoft (maybe that will change soon as myself and bullets could be on a road trip) maybe some pictures of Irish DPM here would be handy as not everyone knows what it looks like (myself included)

So a person could quite innocently walk into a store buy and wear Irish DPM without even knowing.

[Puding]

http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/en_00156.php

[moggins7]

and it feels like kite material.. little squares...
i.e. its not heavy cotton like the old issue

[cherubaul]

I do have a couple of queries of the above IAA statement.

Firstly previous to this the wearing of Irish DPM was a crime commited by a person on a skirmish site now effectively broadcast to the world.

You say that you are protecting the sport but yet are you are holding site owners above your own directives?

Surely if the IAA are truly thinking of the best interests of the sport any affiliated site owners should be answerable to them or at the very least if they are seen to be non-chalant in upholding the law are they not willingly allowing the commiting of a crime which would cast a shadow over the site?

I mean if you are going to punish your members and make the authorities aware of other players surely then it must follow that site indifference to "the issue" would result in a written request for the cessation of such activities by the site owner followed by a boycott. If not do you not run the risk of the UKARA farce in the UK where an elite few have a strangle hold on the majority.
If a site is not answerable on this then how can they be answerable on FPS levels or any other issue.

I am not a member of the IAA nor am I a detractor. I'm a skirmisher and thats it and i have to say that i think it is pretty poor form that you feel that you have the right to protect your own members while employing a directive whereby you feel the need to police non members. in fairness one law for all.

[bullets]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

myself and bullets could be on a road trip)

Speaking of which, I ordered two masks the other day.
You have yer own camo so if you
Let me know what style AEG/Gun you want to use on a Skirmish
I can buy Magazines and batteries.

So far I reckon G36/M4/AUG/SA80 will be easiest to Field as I have
some mags for them.

I already ordered 8 midcap M4 magazines on the way from China
so as soon as they arrive we could be in a position to Skirmish.
(Once I get a 1-2 spare batteries and some BB's)

~B

[IRISH RAIL]

Slate me if im wrong but doesnt a uniform constitute rank and insignia ?
what I mean is if it was just a cammo top that would harldy be called a uniform.
and can you trademark a cammo design?

[bullets]

Originally Posted by IRISH RAIL

Slate me if im wrong but doesnt a uniform constitute rank and insignia ?
what I mean is if it was just a cammo top that would harldy be called a uniform.
and can you trademark a cammo design?

I think it covers any distinctive part of a uniform meaning ya could be done
for even wearing part of a uniform like the Pants or Shirt

The Americans trademarked their camo design I think??. I thought the copies
of the Digital stuff we buy I think may be missing a colour
or have a different colour to make it legal to purchase.

~B

[ambro25]

Originally Posted by cherubaul

I do have a couple of queries of the above IAA statement. (etc.)

I'm not seeing much of two queries in that post, in fact not even one to be honest.

With reference to making the world and it's neighbour aware that some airsofters go about in Irish DPM illegally, I'm afraid that jack's been out of the box for months and a quick search of Boards will suffice to put your mind at rest. The same search will also satisfy you that I'm retreading on old grounds, insofar as the IAA position is concerned.

Relevant authorities are already aware, and were so well before this announcement or the issue surfaced again accidentally in the Irish Shooter Digest article. The fact that they have now decided to "let us know that they know" - by approaching a site owner about the issue very recently - motivated this thread/annoucement in part and, in a larger part, to simply reiterate the position of the IAA, which is unchanged.

I would love for you to explain how am I "holding site owners above our own directives". May I refer to the 'this applies to all classes of membership' portion. That includes affiliates, e.g. retailers and site operators. We cannot force the manner in which people run businesses, only provide a set of guidelines by which we would like them to do so. As for non-IAA members, of course we cannot 'police' them, nor have any pretentions to do so.

Unlike lasers and other similar 'gray' legal areas open to interpretation where airsoft is concerned, the "Irish DPM issue" suffers no grayness whatsoever: the law is crystal clear on all issues. Now, explain to me, since you're neither an IAA member nor an IAA detractor, why your "two queries" in fact constitute nothing more than criticism about the publication of the IAA's position about the Irish DPM issue, in respect of which (in all fairness) no debate should arise, irrespective of whether you're interested in the IAA or not?

Thx for your interest all the same.

[NakedDex]

A uniform doesn't necessarily have to have rank or insignia. The Irish uniform for a G1 recruit has neither and the standard bdu's have no insignia beyond the Irish flag on the left shoulder.

The pattern itself is trademarked as Irish DPM and is copyrighted to boot. There is no surplus of these items unlike other armies so anyone holding a uniform is either a present or past serving member, or has gotten it by illegal means.

[IRISH RAIL]

/\ /\
Thats cleared my ignorance up. thanks

[Shiva]

Originally Posted by IRISH RAIL

and can you trademark a cammo design?

You can even trademark a colour.
Cadbury have successfully registered "their" shade of purple as a trademark.